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	<title>Comments on: You Need Volume For a Payout Bump?</title>
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		<title>By: Smaxor</title>
		<link>http://www.nickycakes.com/you-need-volume-for-a-payout-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-3894</link>
		<dc:creator>Smaxor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When it comes to payout bumps it&#039;s an easy rule to follow. Traffic first, then ask. Show me don&#039;t tell me at least that&#039;s the rule I&#039;ve always followed. Send 1k dating leads a day and then shut them off. Guess who&#039;ll be knocking on your door offering you the top payout? Probably a little different response then you saying you&#039;re going to send 1k leads a day before you send any right? 

I&#039;m on both ends as I own a network as well.. build a relationship with you affiliate manager/team leader. Once you have a base relationship established talk with them about what you&#039;re thinking. For example I have affiliates pull their traffic and go elsewhere without saying a word. It&#039;s kind of perplexing as they just disappear. Now as an affiliate I know my traffic can just dry up one day. Shit happens like that. The key is communication with your go to person. I have to tell people no I don&#039;t have that offer or can&#039;t pay you that much all the time. But I really appreciate the affiliates which I have a relationship built with that at least give me the opportunity to help them.

Just my 2 cents from both sides of the fence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to payout bumps it&#8217;s an easy rule to follow. Traffic first, then ask. Show me don&#8217;t tell me at least that&#8217;s the rule I&#8217;ve always followed. Send 1k dating leads a day and then shut them off. Guess who&#8217;ll be knocking on your door offering you the top payout? Probably a little different response then you saying you&#8217;re going to send 1k leads a day before you send any right? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m on both ends as I own a network as well.. build a relationship with you affiliate manager/team leader. Once you have a base relationship established talk with them about what you&#8217;re thinking. For example I have affiliates pull their traffic and go elsewhere without saying a word. It&#8217;s kind of perplexing as they just disappear. Now as an affiliate I know my traffic can just dry up one day. Shit happens like that. The key is communication with your go to person. I have to tell people no I don&#8217;t have that offer or can&#8217;t pay you that much all the time. But I really appreciate the affiliates which I have a relationship built with that at least give me the opportunity to help them.</p>
<p>Just my 2 cents from both sides of the fence.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.nickycakes.com/you-need-volume-for-a-payout-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-3887</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 14:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Payout tiers/&quot;bumps&quot; are used to encourage more sales/leads to be sent.  If I&#039;m an affiliate making $20 a sale, but I see that I can make $25 per sale if I drive another X leads per month, I&#039;ll work my ass off to get there.  And once I&#039;m there, I&#039;ll drive even more, and eventually just ask for the max.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Payout tiers/&#8221;bumps&#8221; are used to encourage more sales/leads to be sent.  If I&#8217;m an affiliate making $20 a sale, but I see that I can make $25 per sale if I drive another X leads per month, I&#8217;ll work my ass off to get there.  And once I&#8217;m there, I&#8217;ll drive even more, and eventually just ask for the max.</p>
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		<title>By: Beerhat</title>
		<link>http://www.nickycakes.com/you-need-volume-for-a-payout-bump/comment-page-1/#comment-3814</link>
		<dc:creator>Beerhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 08:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the flip side, don&#039;t forget that if you get pulled from an offer for shitty traffic (but it was profitable for you), you can always negotiate a lower payout and be allowed to continue running it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the flip side, don&#8217;t forget that if you get pulled from an offer for shitty traffic (but it was profitable for you), you can always negotiate a lower payout and be allowed to continue running it.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are affiliate managers compensated?

Do they get a % of each lead/sale you generate?  So if they give you a pay bump they would be cutting into their margin or are they payed some other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are affiliate managers compensated?</p>
<p>Do they get a % of each lead/sale you generate?  So if they give you a pay bump they would be cutting into their margin or are they payed some other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Wade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is wrong with a little signature? At least I posted quite a bit, instead of like, &quot;oh wow nicky you so good. clicky my site.&quot;. I didn&#039;t feel it was spam by posting a decent post. Just because I added my website as a signature doesn&#039;t make it spam.

Just voicing my opinion, but it is your site afterall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is wrong with a little signature? At least I posted quite a bit, instead of like, &#8220;oh wow nicky you so good. clicky my site.&#8221;. I didn&#8217;t feel it was spam by posting a decent post. Just because I added my website as a signature doesn&#8217;t make it spam.</p>
<p>Just voicing my opinion, but it is your site afterall.</p>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking from a merchant&#039;s perspective, I &quot;typically&quot; give bumps to the larger affiliates b/c I can really get a good feel for their lead value.  

If someone sends me 3 leads per month, it&#039;s hard to ballpark their lead quality (and my profit)...3 leads isn&#039;t statistically significant. Alternatively if someone sends 1,000 leads per month, I have much more confidence in my calculations.  If that affiliate is bringing solid quality &amp; ROI for me, I&#039;ll work with them to grow the commission and their volume.  However,if you send me 10,000 leads per month and the quality is crap...you&#039;ll keep your street payout rate. The volume MUST be quality. Volume alone doesn&#039;t do much for me. If I want huge amounts of crappy leads, I&#039;ll just pick-up the phone and contact a random co-reg provider. :)

The little guy isn&#039;t always screwed though. Every now and then I will dig into my affiliate base and look for hidden gems (small/quality affiliates who may need some help or motivation to give my offer more exposure).  In this case, I&#039;ll offer a higher payout or bonus if they give me a more prominent feature or post additional links.  

At the end of the day, I&#039;m up against traffic and revenue goals just like Publishers are (or should be). In order to hit my volume numbers (while still keeping a solid ROI) I have to balance the mix of &quot;special&quot; payouts and street payouts.  If I giveaway the store I may do more volume, but I&#039;ll miss my profit targets (it&#039;s a numbers game). 

FWIW, I typically don&#039;t respond to brand new affiliates who ask for special payouts.  I don&#039;t have the time to waste on this...too many people promise the world and then never deliver. However, if you develop a month or two of history (and then ask for a bump) your odds are much higher...now you&#039;ve got some skin in the game too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking from a merchant&#8217;s perspective, I &#8220;typically&#8221; give bumps to the larger affiliates b/c I can really get a good feel for their lead value.  </p>
<p>If someone sends me 3 leads per month, it&#8217;s hard to ballpark their lead quality (and my profit)&#8230;3 leads isn&#8217;t statistically significant. Alternatively if someone sends 1,000 leads per month, I have much more confidence in my calculations.  If that affiliate is bringing solid quality &amp; ROI for me, I&#8217;ll work with them to grow the commission and their volume.  However,if you send me 10,000 leads per month and the quality is crap&#8230;you&#8217;ll keep your street payout rate. The volume MUST be quality. Volume alone doesn&#8217;t do much for me. If I want huge amounts of crappy leads, I&#8217;ll just pick-up the phone and contact a random co-reg provider. <img src='http://www.nickycakes.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The little guy isn&#8217;t always screwed though. Every now and then I will dig into my affiliate base and look for hidden gems (small/quality affiliates who may need some help or motivation to give my offer more exposure).  In this case, I&#8217;ll offer a higher payout or bonus if they give me a more prominent feature or post additional links.  </p>
<p>At the end of the day, I&#8217;m up against traffic and revenue goals just like Publishers are (or should be). In order to hit my volume numbers (while still keeping a solid ROI) I have to balance the mix of &#8220;special&#8221; payouts and street payouts.  If I giveaway the store I may do more volume, but I&#8217;ll miss my profit targets (it&#8217;s a numbers game). </p>
<p>FWIW, I typically don&#8217;t respond to brand new affiliates who ask for special payouts.  I don&#8217;t have the time to waste on this&#8230;too many people promise the world and then never deliver. However, if you develop a month or two of history (and then ask for a bump) your odds are much higher&#8230;now you&#8217;ve got some skin in the game too!</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the reason most affiliate networks don&#039;t give payout bumps without seeing some volume is just to weed out the tire-kickers and dumb newbies.  If they automatically bump everyones payout for no reason at all, whats the point in even having a set payout price anyway if everyone assumes they should get a higher price?

I&#039;m sure these affiliate networks have hundreds of retards and newbies signing up every day who will never send them more than a few hundred dollars in commissions ever.  It would simply be a waste of money for them to spend a lot of time giving payout bumps individually to all of these people when it doesn&#039;t improve the affiliate network&#039;s business in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason most affiliate networks don&#8217;t give payout bumps without seeing some volume is just to weed out the tire-kickers and dumb newbies.  If they automatically bump everyones payout for no reason at all, whats the point in even having a set payout price anyway if everyone assumes they should get a higher price?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure these affiliate networks have hundreds of retards and newbies signing up every day who will never send them more than a few hundred dollars in commissions ever.  It would simply be a waste of money for them to spend a lot of time giving payout bumps individually to all of these people when it doesn&#8217;t improve the affiliate network&#8217;s business in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With a lot of the more reputable networks, simply talking to your AM before you even start the campaign and letting him/her know that you are interested in driving long term, quality traffic should be enough to give you some wiggle room.  Let them know that you have done some research on quality keywords (ie: &#039;buy auto insurance policy&#039; for an insurance offer) and you don&#039;t know how much volume you could do with the current payout and the competitive nature of the vertical. This will make them much more receptive to help you out then &#039;i did 100 leads today, can i get a bump?!&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With a lot of the more reputable networks, simply talking to your AM before you even start the campaign and letting him/her know that you are interested in driving long term, quality traffic should be enough to give you some wiggle room.  Let them know that you have done some research on quality keywords (ie: &#8216;buy auto insurance policy&#8217; for an insurance offer) and you don&#8217;t know how much volume you could do with the current payout and the competitive nature of the vertical. This will make them much more receptive to help you out then &#8216;i did 100 leads today, can i get a bump?!&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: nickycakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>nickycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 06:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@wade: quit spamming your blog link all over my comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@wade: quit spamming your blog link all over my comments</p>
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		<title>By: hahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 01:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post just made me shoot an email at my AM asking for higher payouts on some campaigns I&#039;ve been pushing.

Thanks, nickycakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post just made me shoot an email at my AM asking for higher payouts on some campaigns I&#8217;ve been pushing.</p>
<p>Thanks, nickycakes.</p>
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